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Friday, June 12, 2015

Is Scottish Independence Still a Burning Issue? (Many Angry Reader Comments) - The Scotsman

Peter Jones: Nats are playing a game of bluff

Quebecois pro-independence supporters before the 1995 vote on separation. Picture: AFP/ Getty

Quebecois pro-independence supporters before the 1995 vote on separation. Picture: AFP/ Getty

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ONLY Westminster can end austerity – the SNP going it alone would leave the Scots worse off, writes Peter Jones.

In just two simple moves, the SNP has exposed the gross hypocrisy on which its campaign for independence, and its lesser cousin – full fiscal responsibility – is based. If anyone needed any evidence that the claim that independence would lead to a more prosperous Scotland was false, the SNP have just provided it.

We would have been poorer, he said, but probably happier

An end to austerity can only be provided by a UK government, as John Swinney was pleading with George Osborne to do yesterday, for the shelving by Nationalist MPs of demands for full fiscal responsibility also shows it cannot be done by Scotland outside either the current fiscal or political union.
Looking at recent events, I was reminded of a rueful story often told by a very eminent Canadian (he would say Quebecois) economist. Francois Vaillancourt is a professor of economics at Montreal University. One of his special interests is in the financial and economic relationships between different levels of government in the same country.
He is thus an expert in fiscal decentralisation, how tax devolution works and what the economic effects are. As such he has been widely consulted by many governments and such organisations as the World Bank and the OECD.
Indeed, it is to him that we owe the idea that the Scottish parliament should gain control over 10p of income tax. That was the suggestion he made when he was consulted by the Calman Commission and which is now enshrined in the Scotland Act 2012.
Prof Vaillancourt is also a supporter of Quebec independence, or sovereignty as they call it, and a member of the independence-seeking Parti Quebecois. The PQ was only too delighted to appoint him as an economic spokesman shortly before the 1995 referendum on Quebec independence.
I heard him recount at an economics conference in Edinburgh that the party was less pleased with his first major media interview. Could Quebec be an economically viable independent country, he was asked. Of course it could, he said. But would it be richer or poorer than it was as part of Canada. Oh, poorer in the short term, he said, adding that in the longer term it might well be richer if shrewd economic policies were pursued.
Of course, the dreadful media jumped all over his response regarding the short-term prospects, plastering it everywhere, as did the PQ’s federalist opponents. The PQ promptly sacked him.
Talking about this a decade later, he said he was just being honest about the economic prospects for Quebec independence. We would have been poorer, he said, but probably happier as an independent country.
Leaving aside the happiness factor, a somewhat debatable point given that being poorer is not usually associated with greater contentment, Prof Vaillancourt’s comments fit the Scottish independence argument perfectly.
Scotland could be a viable independent country, but it would certainly start off poorer than it is as part of the UK. I am not claiming, as some of the more visceral Nationalists assert in retort, that Scotland is too poor, too wee, too stupid, to be independent, merely noting that the economic facts point towards an independent Scotland being poorer than as part of the Union.
Conveniently, the Scottish Government has done two things which say that this must be right. First, in the Westminster debates about implementing the Smith Commission proposals for Scotland to have greater tax and welfare powers, the SNP group of 56 MPs are not going to demand that the UK government grant Scotland full fiscal responsibility.
This would mean that inside the union, the Scottish Government would have to raise pretty much everything it spends, ranging from the costs of education and health to payments to the UK government for debt servicing and defence, from what Scots and the offshore oil and gas industry pay in taxes.
Unfortunately, Scotland’s tax revenue currently falls well short of public spending to a much bigger degree than does the UK when measured relative to the size of the Scottish and UK economies. The Scottish Government’s published figures show that in 2013-14, Scotland’s deficit equated to 8.1 per cent of Scottish GDP against a UK deficit of 5.6 per cent of UK GDP.
Analysis by the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS), which has been disputed but not refuted by SNP ministers, is that the gap between Scotland and the UK will widen, not narrow, in the next few years. By 2019-20, the IFS reckons Scotland’s deficit will be 4.6 per cent of GDP while the UK should move into a small surplus of 0.3 per cent of GDP. The difference in cash terms in today’s prices is £8.9 billion, the amount by which tax revenues would have to rise or spending be cut, for Scotland to reach the same fiscal place as the UK.
That’s the shocking reality of what full fiscal responsibility means – spending cuts equivalent to about 80 per cent of the health budget or tax rises equivalent to about 80 per cent of what we already pay income tax.
That’s why SNP MPs will not be demanding full fiscal responsibility, because they don’t want to be responsible for forcing even worse austerity on Scots than is George Osborne. You don’t believe me? Well, ask yourself, if Scotland had a better budget balance than the UK would the SNP still refuse to argue for what half of Scotland voted for in their manifesto? Of course it wouldn’t.
The conclusion is clear – an end to austerity can only be delivered by a UK government. Whether the SNP’s plan for real-terms public spending increases of 0.5 per cent a year – what Mr Swinney sought in his meeting with Mr Osborne – actually adds up to austerity easing and within-target deficit reduction, is a debate for another day.
I’ll only note that the so-called economic analysis Mr Swinney published to substantiate his claims is only a statistical number-crunching exercise. It contains no modelling or analysis of how the proposed budgetary changes would affect the economy and tax revenues, or debt and debt servicing costs which might well rise if financial markets concluded the government was abandoning its present course of deficit reduction.
Mr Osborne may have listened politely but it is unlikely he will pay much attention, for what has also been revealed is that any threat by the SNP to take Scotland out of the Union is a bluff in which only the Scottish people would be the losers.
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Gibbo 2

4:31 PM on 12/06/2015
Let us all know who was it who got us into this mess in the first place,
lets think, WAS it SNP === NO

Was it Tories === YES

Was it labour ===YES
Was it Libdems ==YES

So why should we trust them all ever again, Always remember it will be the Scottish people who will decide who will govern them in Scotland.
  
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seenopolicy

11:57 PM on 11/06/2015
So sorry Stupidity in Numbers Party what do we do then? Continue racking up debt for future generations? 

We have a strong shot at balancing the budget and starting to pay off this debt that all opposition parties seem to raise as being the fault of the current government.

The SNP have no credible plan and they know it. The Tories know it, Labour know it and you know it as well.
  
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Andrew McLean

8:14 PM on 11/06/2015
Peter, I sincerely hope you didn't spend a long time on this article, it's complete nonsense, a cut and paste job before the pub at lunchtime, listen I know you can do better!
  
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BAR ROSA

10:44 PM on 10/06/2015
Maybe Peter Jones doesn't realise Scotland has ALWAYS been poorer than England.

Scotland hasn't had £16,000,000,000 for a 70 mile rail line, as has been spent in London. No £1,500,000,000 for a new container port, as has been spent in London. No £7,000,000,000 upgrade for an airport, as has been spent in London. No £40,000,000,000 for a 120 mile high speed train line to London.

United Kingdom right enough. United to keep London well supplied with money and work.
  
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Sid Law

9:23 PM on 10/06/2015
Peter Jones also makes the common error of assuming any FFR enjoyed by Scotland would be used to perpetrate the failed UK boom/bust model of economic planning.

Even those studying the most basic school level of economics should realise there are other models available for a Scottish Government to follow if it holds the purse strings and inside the purse is all the money.

I do wish The Scotsman would up its game and try to match the quality of debate and opinion in The Herald, rather than trying to compete with quasi gutter press of The Daily Mail.
  
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Sid Law

9:12 PM on 10/06/2015
"An end to austerity can only be provided by a UK government."

Never a truer word has been spoken.

The UK government created the conditions to require austerity.
The UK government introduced austerity.
The UK government has continued austerity.
The UK government is responsible for the poverty caused by austerity.
The UK government should be held accountable for austerity.

Even the most incompetent Scottish Government would be hard pressed to be as inept at handling an economy as successive UK governments have been.
  
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I know you know

6:41 PM on 10/06/2015
FFA is the one thing the SNP do not want because if they did, they would be shouting it from the roof tops and how the bad English are stopping us!

SNP are a sound bite party, fiscally incompetent and loudly vocal about what they are GOING to do but the thing is, they never quite get round to it.
8 years and counting!
  
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Democracy_2

11:07 AM on 10/06/2015
Rupert Murdoch's media empire backed the Tories in England and the SNP in Scotland. It was cynical, hypocritical and self-seeking machination on his part, but it worked. Both lots won their respective elections. Murdoch hates Labour because it backs the unions and is opposed to media monopolies. Alex Salmond had many private meetings with Murdoch when he was FM. Wonder what he promised Murdoch in return for media backing ...... an attack on the BBC perhaps? Job done!!
  
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gasbag55

9:32 AM on 10/06/2015
FFA is just an SNP smoke screen to keep their troops pushing for iScotland in the hope of a big oil price lift. 
If they do not vote for the Labour Party amendment to establish an independent commission on FFA it will be major turnround on their flagship economic policy at the recent General Election, as well as an admission that their plan for iScotland and anti-austerity is just hot air. Actions speak louder than words.
  
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Stewart Dredge

7:32 AM on 10/06/2015
"We would have been poorer, he said, but probably happier" says the ribbon but typically for the Scotsman it is there to give a false impression. Further down the article we see a fuller account of what he said but Mr Jones is careful not to quote him verbatim "But would it be richer or poorer than it was as part of Canada. Oh, poorer in the short term, he said, adding that in the longer term it might well be richer if shrewd economic policies were pursued." So, we're no wiser as to what Professor Vaillancourt actually said though Mr Jones assures us he's bluffing. And therefore so is the SNP........
  
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Taffy54

11:07 PM on 09/06/2015
SNP blames UK for having to consider raising taxes. While us down south are not having to pay increased taxes anytime soon. Seems like it is the SNP ought to hand control back to London and thereby guarantee no tax rises. Sadly, the reality is the SNP are hellbent on creating financial suicide for Scotland. However with FFA and the subsequent removal of Barnett, us down south will be able to give ourselves more tax cuts. The decent professional people and businesses of Scotland need to consider a move south and away from the SNP lunacy. Glad I am south of the border.
  
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Lochaberson

10:38 PM on 09/06/2015
Labour tabled an amendment to the Scotland bill asking for a commission to investigate the SNP's plans for FFA, the SNP are running around like headless chickens, its ridiculous according to Robertson the corkscrew.
Tommy Sheppard said
"If the SNP have confidence in their policy they should have no problem backing an assessment of the impact of full fiscal autonomy on Scotland's finances by an independent expert commission. It's time for the SNP to have the courage of their convictions."
So lets hear it from all you yes freedom screamers, tell your party that you have no problem with an assessment because your SNP party told you it'll be alright on the day.

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