'Ladies, don’t freeze your eggs:' Dalhousie professor urges work-life balance instead
Apple, Facebook to pay women as much as $20K to postpone motherhood by having their eggs extracted, saved
CBC News Posted: Mar 05, 2015 11:10 AM ET Last Updated: Mar 05, 2015 2:51 PM ET
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A Dalhousie University professor is discouraging career-minded women from freezing their eggs for lifestyle reasons, a practice known as 'social egg freezing.'
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Françoise Baylis, a professor and Canada Research Chair in Bioethics and Philosophy at Dalhousie University in Halifax, is giving a lecture Thursday at the University of Windsor entitled, "Ladies, don’t freeze your eggs."
'Why is it a woman has to choose between a career and family?"- Francoise Baylis, Dalhousie University professor
For Baylis, it’s not just a matter of practical considerations associated with health or cost.
"We’re taking a social problem. We’re offering a medical solution," said Baylis. "Why is it a woman has to choose between a career and family? We don’t make men make that choice."
Baylis said freezing eggs entrenches the false belief that women cannot be good mothers and good employees at the same time.
"We’re living in a world where we say women can have it all and here’s a great strategy for that," she said. "Why is the challenge a biological one and not a social one?"
She said women have become a force in the workplace, which is a "relatively recent phenomenon." The workplace has not caught up to these changes, she said.
"The workplace hasn’t thought about why the work schedule doesn’t accommodate the school schedule," said Baylis. "What’s happened to subsidized daycare, aside from the province of Quebec? If society really thought it was important for women to have the same opportunities as men, they would be looking to make social policy changes."
Baylis said society must change its perception of egg freezing as an opportunity.
"We say have your career when you’re young and then when you’re older in your early 40's you can have your pregnancy," she said. "If you can’t take time off in your 30's to have a baby, why do you think now that you’ve reached the pinnacle of your profession now you can opt out of that for a few years?"
Companies offering free egg freezing
The subject has attracted a lot of attention recent months when both Facebook and Apple offered a program to their female employees where the company would pay to freeze their eggs so they could delay pregnancy.
The two companies offered to pay as much as $20,000 to those who elect to postpone motherhood by having their eggs extracted and saved.
"It allows companies to keep their young, exciting women in the workplace producing for them instead of reproducing for themselves," Baylis said.
Windsor fertility doctor says more issues at play
Dr. Tony Pattinson, a doctor in Windsor who specializes in fertility, said the pricey procedure of egg freezing was first developed for women who may have needed chemotherapy to treat cancers and other procedures that could damage their eggs, but does not necessarily disagree with women using it for non-medical reasons.
'A woman may not have a partner at that moment.'- Dr. Tony Pattinson
"If it's something women are choosing to do, I don't really have a problem with that," he said.
Pattinson has only had patients who want to freeze their eggs for medical reasons.
"A woman may not have a partner at that moment," he said. "She may meet the right guy who she wants to make babies with in the future."
Baylis’s talk is free and open. It's at 7 p.m. at the Toldo Health Education Centre at the University of Windsor.
If it's not for medical reasons, does the option of freezing eggs send the message that a woman can't have a career and a family at the same time?
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- 314 Comments
- N.B.S.
I completely agree with Professor Baylis,
My mother had three children while still running a company, it is absolutely possible to have children and also be employed.
We should also look at the fact that freezing eggs is not actually as sure a practice as some might think.
Women can absolutely have children and manage a career, in this new day and age women are not expected to stay at home and as a result more shared responsibility between the parents is important.
I would however suggest... » more
My mother had three children while still running a company, it is absolutely possible to have children and also be employed.
We should also look at the fact that freezing eggs is not actually as sure a practice as some might think.
Women can absolutely have children and manage a career, in this new day and age women are not expected to stay at home and as a result more shared responsibility between the parents is important.
I would however suggest... » more
- 10 hours ago
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- socatan
@Cari-Lee Miller
He, or she never said WIFE. You have to read more carefully before you fly-off the handle.
My wife stayed home for three years with our daughter, split up by the year I stayed home with her. If you can manage it, it is always best to have a parent (male or female) home with your own children. It makes more sense finacially as well. Depending on the wage you are making, one may end up spending most of their income on childcare costs anyway.
He, or she never said WIFE. You have to read more carefully before you fly-off the handle.
My wife stayed home for three years with our daughter, split up by the year I stayed home with her. If you can manage it, it is always best to have a parent (male or female) home with your own children. It makes more sense finacially as well. Depending on the wage you are making, one may end up spending most of their income on childcare costs anyway.
- 2 hours ago
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- CogitatusP
Work-Life balance is easy to say, but getting much harder to do. Take it from someone who is a professional, married to a professional, with two teenage kids. Being in this situation has seriously taken 5 years off my life through stress, with no end in sight and no way I can see to get off the hamster wheel.
In order to get work-life balance you have to have a job and a boss who will let you do it instead of firing your ass for not putting out 110%.
In order to get work-life balance you have to have a job and a boss who will let you do it instead of firing your ass for not putting out 110%.
- 9 hours ago
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- danjazone
@Neville Q - Libertarian Evangelical
Heck, yes! If you're not running toward a shantytown with your life stuffed into a hobobindle in order to raise a family, you're doing it wrong!
That's Ayn Randian Can-American Dream! Pull yourself down by your bootstraps, everyone! You lazy bunch of workaholic degenerates!
Heck, yes! If you're not running toward a shantytown with your life stuffed into a hobobindle in order to raise a family, you're doing it wrong!
That's Ayn Randian Can-American Dream! Pull yourself down by your bootstraps, everyone! You lazy bunch of workaholic degenerates!
- 4 hours ago
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- Redsquirl
I would love to see our culture embrace one parent to stay home and take care of the kids, while the other works. Just like back in the day. I wish that would work, I wish that this was the norm and families could afford to live like that. What an amazing world we would live in with kids brought up properly with love from their parent, home cooked meals and clean safe fun house to grow up in. If only....
- 9 hours ago
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- Yepyep
@PrairieGirl13 I'm a leftie; the problem with the left in North America is that the discussion is all about attitudes rather than systems and solutions. I made the assumption because in the real world, without good labour laws in place, women stay home more than men, and as a result have less economic power.
Once women are paid less in the workplace, it becomes more economically sensible for a couple to decide that the woman stay home. Then women will stay home more often on average. ... » more
Once women are paid less in the workplace, it becomes more economically sensible for a couple to decide that the woman stay home. Then women will stay home more often on average. ... » more
- 4 hours ago
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- Alternate
This article and this Dr. is attempting to start a discussion. I applaud this effort. But she is getting off the wrong foot with some of the comments.
1 Women are deemed by nature to give birth. Men contribute to the path of giving birth.
2 It is not my issue and my requirement to subsides daycare or someone's choice
3 The best time to give birth is at a young age, not 40.
4 if you want to have a career go and have a career.
5 if you want to have children and a family go and do that
6 don't... » more
1 Women are deemed by nature to give birth. Men contribute to the path of giving birth.
2 It is not my issue and my requirement to subsides daycare or someone's choice
3 The best time to give birth is at a young age, not 40.
4 if you want to have a career go and have a career.
5 if you want to have children and a family go and do that
6 don't... » more
- 9 hours ago
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- SergioKnight
The big problem has nothing to do with freezing eggs, or not.
What should be emphasized is that women need to better educate themselves to the realities of their own fertility. Many seem to believe that having a family in their late 30's or even 40's is somehow no big deal. This is absolutely not the case.
The ideal age for becoming pregnant is in your 20's. At 30, the odds of conception to birth start to decline. At age 35, they plummet. By age 40, there is only a 5% of successful... » more
What should be emphasized is that women need to better educate themselves to the realities of their own fertility. Many seem to believe that having a family in their late 30's or even 40's is somehow no big deal. This is absolutely not the case.
The ideal age for becoming pregnant is in your 20's. At 30, the odds of conception to birth start to decline. At age 35, they plummet. By age 40, there is only a 5% of successful... » more
- 9 hours ago
- 7 Likes
- Angerbomb
@I Hate Everything
Of course it gets harder as women get older. But it's much higher than a 5% chance after 40. Your stat states that a 40 year old woman treated for infertility had a 25% chance of getting pregnant. Which is low, but it also leaves out that fact that more women in their early forties are not infertile, so of course the chance is even higher for them. I was just pointing out that a lot of the current statistics in circulation are actually very old and inaccurate.
Of course it gets harder as women get older. But it's much higher than a 5% chance after 40. Your stat states that a 40 year old woman treated for infertility had a 25% chance of getting pregnant. Which is low, but it also leaves out that fact that more women in their early forties are not infertile, so of course the chance is even higher for them. I was just pointing out that a lot of the current statistics in circulation are actually very old and inaccurate.
- 6 hours ago
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- Making_Lemonade
The comments of some people to the effect of "I'm NOT paying for you to have kids, so freeze your eggs and get to work" are VERY ironic! Think about it. So now companies are paying you NOT to have kids to squeeze out more productivity out of you, but these same companies don't care about the well-being of society overall, which requires a stable population of well-balanced individuals. If we could take our foot off the "productivity" and "growth" pedals just a touch (don't worry, free-market... » more
- 10 hours ago
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- Making_Lemonade
@being Right My slam on companies is not anecdotal, but based on the fact of the companies Facebook and Apple offering $20K to freeze eggs. I work and I have kids. I don't expect a medal for it. Other countries do work-life better than us, with better economic productivity and better social services. Giving your 110% to a company is neither good nor necessary. It's our North American model.
- 7 hours ago
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