What are some bad things Ho Chi Minh did that most Vietnamese people do not know?
The young generations in Vietnam receive a very skewed version of history, where Ho Chi Minh is pictured as an infallible saint with numerous talents (languages, philosophy, sports, etc.). Students are forced to capitalized any word referring to him (e.g. "He", "Uncle"). His picture is in *every* single class room. Saying anything bad about him is illegal. What are some very bad things that Ho Chi Minh did that many Vietnamese people never knew and may never accept?
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- Phan Boi Chau [a Vietnamese revolutionary and nationalist hero], who was hiding in China to conduct his activism and was wanted by French police, was tipped by Ho Chi Minh to the French in exchange for ~200,000 Piastres, and Chau was later arrested near Shanghai on June 30, 1925 and imprisoned then exiled to Algeria [Algerie]. Phan Boi Chau was a very popular revolutionary advocating Vietnamese independence from France and democracy for Vietnam, and was a serious rival to Ho and attracting supporters away from Ho, and HCM wanted him eliminated.
- HCM had numerous relationships, affairs with different women, despite proclaiming that he was ''a celibate married to the [Vietnam] nation and Revolution''. He was married to Tang Tuyet Minh [a Chinese midwife from Guangzhou, China]; and had sexual relations with Nong Thi Xuan[an aborigine Nung from Cao Bang province] and had a son with her named Nguyen Tat Trung [Xuan was later raped and killed in a premeditated car accident by Tran Quoc Hoan near Ho Hoan Kiem, Hanoi, 1957, to silence her]. He also had romantic relationships with a few other women, including with one already married to a Viet Minh member, and another with a French lady during HCM's time in France. Nong Thi Xuan [bottom on right side]
- Ho Chi Minh's real name is Nguyen Sinh Cung. The names ''Ho Chi Minh'' [''the Enlightener''] and his other name ''Nguyen Ai Quoc'' [''Nguyen the Patriot''], and many others, are fake propaganda names he fabricated for himself.
- HCM, after his Viet Minh ascended to power on Sep 2, 1945 across most of North Vietnam, then arrested and imprisoned [many disappeared, ie. killed] all non-Communist Viet Minh members and allies who fought alongside him against the French, to monopolize Communist power in the Hanoi government. These included the Vietnam Nationalist Party [Viet Nam Quoc Dan Dang], who were rounded up and whisked away from the Hanoi hotel they stayed at, a few managed to hide then escaped to South Vietnam. HCM had many other rival, non-Communist anti-French nationalist revolutionaries killed as well along the way, including President Ngo Dinh Diem's brother, Ngo Dinh Khoi. HCM also attempted to kill Diem as well, but failed.
- HCM's Land Reform killed an estimated 172,000 North Vietnamese labelled as ''landlords'', actually many were either political opponents/dissidents, perceived ''class enemies'' and demographic groups perceived unsupportive of the Communists, people who didn't allow HCM's collectivization and land/property confiscations, etc. Many ''landlords'' were killed by burying them alive, or had their body buried underground with their heads overground and beheaded by a rice plough. He claimed that the Land Reform was a ''mistake'' that ''was undertaken by his overzealous, wrongful cadres and subordinates'' to avoid his responsibility over these atrocities - actually, Ho is the President of North Vietnam and nothing can be conducted without his approval/order.
- HCM's government sent the PAVN 325th Division to Quynh Luu village, Nghe An province [HCM home province] to crush a mass peasant rebellion there in Nov 1956, who were angered at the regime's land confiscations, agricultural production seizures and the regime previously blocking them from fleeing to South Vietnam in 1954, killing at least 1,000, imprisoning several thousand more. A few managed to escape to South Vietnam after. The Viet Minh violated the 1954 Geneva Accords, [which they signed but S VN didn't], by using force to coerce and block N Vietnamese from fleeing, despite the Accords guaranteeing free, unimpeded movement of Vietnamese to North or South VN for 300-days between 1954-1955.
- His regime conducted the Nhan Van-Giai Pham campaign [a mimic of Mao Zedong's ''100 Flowers Campaign''], a government scheme where intellectuals, pro-democracy activists, non-Communist citizens were encouraged to criticize and speak out against the government and show themselves. After a few months of this campaign, on Dec 1956 the Hanoi regime arrested, imprisoned all those who spoke out against the regime and sent them to hard labor. Nhan Van and Giai Pham were the leading newspapers in Hanoi advocating N Vietnam democracy and criticized the authoritarian dictatorship.
- HCM, along with Le Duan and other warmongering top Comm. Party brass like Truong Chinh [real name Dang Xuan Khu], initiated the North Vietnamese military campaign against South Vietnam, starting the Vietnam War. The war had 4 million Vietnamese killed, North to South, civilians and combatants, destroyed the country, and culminated in Communist rule over the whole country until today, and 2 million Boat People fleeing the country after the 1975 invasion.
- Ho lived in the Presidential Palace in Hanoi, not the ''Stilt Hut''. He used the hut to meet foreigners to deceive everyone that he lived ''simple like a peasant'' like everyone else and didn't live lavishly. Ever wondered why that Hut is on the same grounds as the Presidential Palace? So he can easily run back and forth between the 2 structures.
- Nguyen Sinh Sac [Ho's father] was an ex-magistrate in the Nguyen dynasty for Qui Nhon, who was fired for beating a prisoner to death. He too, is treated like a saint by the dictatorship, like this:
His Holiness Ho:
This is not atrocity of violent kind, but Ho Chi Minh was almost certainly a pedophile.
Just Google “ho chi minh kissing” for images.
Vietnamese don’t hug and kiss children like that. Lip-kissing the children? Vietnamese, like other Asian societies, don’t even hug and kiss on the cheeks between adults when they meet, period. Bowing is the norm, and hand-shaking is only in official or business situations for more westernized folks.
And for the culture of that time, it’s even weirder, especially with someone else’s children and as a fatherly figure or uncle which was the role he was playing himself to be toward the people of North Vietnam. If you know how the cult of personality affected the people of North Korea in their behavior toward the Supreme Leaders and how a system of total control by a single party can do, you can imagine how things like this can be justified, explained away or ignored by those around him.
He was even told to stop doing so by the Indonesian government in 1959 when he visited the island.
This is hard to prove more definitively because you are not going to have evidences from the system or from the victims other than these pictures from three known separate public incidents.
Before the development of modern psychology and investigation technology and process we have from the past couple decades, how many pedophile cases were discovered and brought to court, how many victims ever revealed their past sufferings as children to the public in the US? Lots of victims suffered silently even in a system with transparent, independent courts like the US.
With the murder of one of his female lovers like Nông Thị Xuân, at least the story was broken to the public outside Vietnam by several sources, including the son of Ho’s former personal secretary.
I'm sure you can make your own conclusion.
Just Google “ho chi minh kissing” for images.
Vietnamese don’t hug and kiss children like that. Lip-kissing the children? Vietnamese, like other Asian societies, don’t even hug and kiss on the cheeks between adults when they meet, period. Bowing is the norm, and hand-shaking is only in official or business situations for more westernized folks.
And for the culture of that time, it’s even weirder, especially with someone else’s children and as a fatherly figure or uncle which was the role he was playing himself to be toward the people of North Vietnam. If you know how the cult of personality affected the people of North Korea in their behavior toward the Supreme Leaders and how a system of total control by a single party can do, you can imagine how things like this can be justified, explained away or ignored by those around him.
He was even told to stop doing so by the Indonesian government in 1959 when he visited the island.
This is hard to prove more definitively because you are not going to have evidences from the system or from the victims other than these pictures from three known separate public incidents.
Before the development of modern psychology and investigation technology and process we have from the past couple decades, how many pedophile cases were discovered and brought to court, how many victims ever revealed their past sufferings as children to the public in the US? Lots of victims suffered silently even in a system with transparent, independent courts like the US.
With the murder of one of his female lovers like Nông Thị Xuân, at least the story was broken to the public outside Vietnam by several sources, including the son of Ho’s former personal secretary.
I'm sure you can make your own conclusion.
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