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Tuesday, September 8, 2015

Jakarta Post- Threatened Lawsuit about Trump



Politician threatens lawsuit
against critic over Trump
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Sparking controversy: House of Representatives Deputy Speaker Fadli Zon asks Imam Shamsi Ali, 64, a Muslim leader and the chairman of the Al-Hikmah Mosque in New York, the US, to correct Facebook comments that he deemed slanderous about a recent meeting between him, House Speaker Setya Novanto and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump. (Courtesy of Youtube)
Sparking controversy: House of Representatives Deputy Speaker Fadli Zon asks Imam Shamsi Ali, 64, a Muslim leader and the chairman of the Al-Hikmah Mosque in New York, the US, to correct Facebook comments that he deemed slanderous about a recent meeting between him, House Speaker Setya Novanto and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump. (Courtesy of Youtube)
House of Representatives Deputy Speaker Fadli Zon on Sunday lambasted statements of Imam Shamsi Ali, 47, a renowned Muslim leader and the chairman of the Al-Hikmah Mosque in New York, the US, who criticized a recent meeting between Fadli, House Speaker Setya Novanto and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump. He also threatened to file a lawsuit against the Muslim scholar.
Fadli asserted that he had objections and could not accept comments Shamsi posted on his Facebook account. The latter said the presence of Fadli and Setya at a press conference held by Trump on the sidelines of a campaign event in New York on Thursday showed House leaders’ support for the business tycoon who is set to run for the US presidency.
“There is no such support. Do you think we have the voice or influence to support a US presidential candidate? Donald Trump has not yet made his candidacy official. He is an individual who is striving to get support from the Republican Party. It was not a campaign but a press conference, which was held in the lobby of Trump Plaza, his own building,” said Fadli as quoted by Tribunnews.com in Jakarta on Sunday. 
The Gerindra Party politician went on to say that the event occurred after a House delegation, including Setya, attended a closed-door meeting with Trump on the 26th floor of Trump Plaza, New York. When the delegation members walked through the lobby, they saw a large crowd including Trump, who was holding a press conference with pamphlets indicating his presidential aspirations.
“The lobby was totally filled with journalists and his [Trump’s] staff members. [...] We then watched the press conference until it finished because the access road to the exit door was blocked by so many people,” said Fadli.
The politician further said he was offended by Shamsi’s statement that Trump received Setya and his entourage for only three minutes.
“It’s slander. If you wrote your Facebook comments based only on a TV broadcast, you must mention it. You have humiliated us by saying that Trump received us only for three minutes just to show our faces on his stage. You have made a conclusion without first investigating what we had previously talked about with Trump before the press conference. You don’t know that there was a meeting before the event,” said Fadli.
He said Shamsi must correct his Facebook comments that had spread on social media. “Otherwise, I will file a lawsuit against him for allegedly violating the 2008 Electronic Information and Transactions Law. I will appoint my lawyer.” (ebf)

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joyoboyo
Ah c'mon - u guys are taking this the wrong way. Dude is a brand ambassador of Indonesia - he's stirring up some conversation about Indonesia, using the Donald as a platform. Not self serving at all or a consequence of 3 good martinis at lunch..a vetted, thought out strategy - have some faith people.
abu abu
You cannot fault Fadli Zon for exposing how inept and shallow he is. You cannot criticise him for being unable to differential right from wrong.
After all he was in the land of the free so it was only natural for him to freely express his natural self uninhibited. 
On a related note that watch on his right hand is worth more than 70 workers' five-months salary, working two rotating shifts, including Sundays and public holidays non-stop.
And on another related note rumour has it that Trump had to be convinced that Fadil Zon and co. were not Hispanics.
Terry McAsee
I think the watch that has caught public attention was not Fadli's but Setya Novanto.
jakartaglobe.beritasatu.com/news/time-house-speakers-140k-watch-steals-limelight-trump-photo-op/
Lizarazu
 some say it is because the region he represent is one of the poorest region in Indonesia. 
WNI333
Please don't blame them. They are only a bunch of kampung people being lured to the limelight and taken advantage of. With their low educational and moral backgrounds they could not even tell that they are embarrassing the people of Indonesia let alone themselves. 
SalauhwaTan
it is more of a low moral background... but these guys will argue as they will claim they are very religious so by right should also be of high moral :D
 Hannah Montana
This one is hilarious.

Fadli Zon's party Gerindra made a rule in 2012 that none of its members is allowed to travel to the overseas using government's money. Anyone who disobeys this rule would be fired from the party by Prabowo.

Don't believe me ? Have a look the official statement here at Gerindra's facebook page (www.facebook.com/gerindra/posts/362650380433117). Also available in the media (www.jpnn.com/read/2012/03/06/119732/Gerindra-Larang-Kader-ke-Luar-Negeri). Note: They're in Indonesian language. You might need to dump them in google translate to get the english translation.
Alexgardner2
The problem facing Indonesia in a microcosm : " You shouldn't cricticize me ! I am not guilty ! Ask my supporters , do they think i am guilty ? i am suing you for defamation ! "
IndonesiaHappening
Trump hasn't declared his candidacy officially? I am sure he would be disappointed to know he is not an official candidate for the Republican party's nomination... then again 
Lizarazu
He's officially running for the president's office, but the Republicans has not decide whether they will be represented by Jeb Bush or this man 
anakbdb
House of Representatives Deputy Speaker Fadli Zon on Sunday lambasted statements of Imam Shamsi Ali, 64, a renowned Muslim leader and the chairman of the Al-Hikmah Mosque in New York, the US, who criticized a recent meeting between Fadli, House Speaker Setya Novanto and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump. He also threatened to file a lawsuit against the Muslim scholar.
- See more at: 
Hey JP who did you quote 64 yeras old of age? Get your source correctly. Shamsi Ali is not 64 years old age
simba1991
What a disgusting human being. He should put his head in shame and resign effective immediately, along with that loser Setya who could only say "yes very much" when asked. Pathetic brainless individuals. This idiot Fadli has the same attitude as that stupid Sarpin who repeatedly stated that his "good name" has been smeared. What a bunch of clowns.
FarmerJakarta
Good luck with the law suit sir. If appearing on USA TV smiling and shaking hands isn't showing support I don't know what does. 
Poor judgement at best.
devineasia
Fadli = inpersonation of what is wrong in our country. Tidak tahu malu...
Jonny5alive
This is an English speaking publication. It would serve you well to remember that and refrain from use of monkey tongue.
devineasia
yah... benar... maaf...
reezal
Dont apologize to this beruk? English publication made in indonesia. just that he is annoyed to not understand the meaning. our advantage friend. amd no rules saying we cant.
Duncandonut
But the main question remains:What the hell were those indonesian "politicians"supposed to be doing there?(At the expens of taxpayers money).
Terry McAsee

Duncan - The real answer to your question was that they were attending this:
www.ipu.org/splz-e/speakers15.htm
A conference vital to the future of mankind on Planet Earth as I'm sure you would agree!
The taxpayers of Indonesia were lucky enough to be able to send the following people to the conference:
NOVANTO, Setya
Speaker of the House of Representatives
ZON, Fadli
Deputy Speaker of the House of Representatives
ASSEGAF, Nurhayati
Member of the House of Representatives
Chairman of the Committee for Inter-Parliamentary Cooperation
BIN MUHAMMAD, Roem Kono
Member of the House of Representatives
KARDINAL, Robert Joppy
Member of the House of Representatives
BATUBARA, Juliari
Member of the House of Representatives
SYAMSUDDIN, Azis
Member of the House of Representatives
Chairman of the Commission for Law
YAHYA, Tantowi
Member of the House of Representatives
Vice Chairman of the Commission for Defence, Foreign and Information Affairs
WATTIMENA, Michael
Member of the House of Representatives
WIDYA YUDHA, Satya
Member of the House of Representatives
RAHARJO, Sigit
Officer, Security, House of Representatives
NOVIANTI, Novianti
Head, President's Executive Office, House of Representatives
HARYANTO, Deyna
Officer, Protocol, House of Representatives
SYAHRONI, Syahroni
Officer, Protocol, House of Representatives
RETNOASTUTI, Endah
Head, International Cooperation, House of Representatives
TANSIL, Yuliana
Officer, Public Relations, House of Representatives
WIJAYANTI, Dewi Amelia
Adviser, International Cooperation, House of Representatives
ARIFIN, Nurul
Adviser, President's Executive Office, House of Representatives
PRATOMO, Eddy
Adviser, President's Executive Office, House of Representatives
ANDIKA, Muhammad Tri
Officer, Protocol, House of Representatives
ALATAS, Syarief
Adviser, House of Representatives
TJARYA, Edison
Officer, Security, House of Representatives
SUBEKTI, Yanri
Press
HERNOWO, Marcellus
Press
SYAHENDRA, Syahendra
Press
Terry McAsee
Just for comparison:
Indonesia sent 25 participants (at public expense) whilst China sent 10 and the UK just 8.
Browse through the full list here:
www.ipu.org/splz-e/speakers15/list.pdf

Kulit Merah
  well, that should be the real story, .. but even the JP became a gossip paper, reporting the obvious inept daily nonsense of the peoples' representatives.
can someone please provide the KPK link for reporting a mismanagement of funds - or can KPK also not handle the infidels language?
SalauhwaTan
  come on... it is a free...oops paid-for luxurious trip... u think these guys or most of those guys in  that house wont want it?
Kantisini
I hope he is filing that stuff with a REALLY expensive lawyer at a new York court and looses a lot of money with these Kampoeng antics...arguments like that might work in Jakarta, but in NYC...?
Botak
So full of guilt for misusing statefunds for an unsanctioned trip this guy is only trying to overload to divert attention away from him.
I only hope the KPK will soon start to investigate this trip. And the watch....
 Hannah Montana
You guys should see (google) the selfie taken by Fadli Zon during that event with one of females supporters of Trump. She was holding a placard with the writing "The Silent Majority stands with Trump".
 Hannah Montana
Ooooh...this time, it's going to backfire badly to this clown Fadli Zon. In the past, this softie has frequently threatened to file lawsuits to people who criticized him. This time...he's playing with fire. 

Not only the bulk of Indonesians including Muslim leaders condemned the "incident", but Fadli can be perceived as someone who supports the controversial American while he threatens a respected Muslim leader (even if such thing is possible considering the different jurisdiction). This won't do any good to Gerindra whose supports largely come from Islamic party....

This softie clown is clearly stupid...  
willo1246
Fadli apparently used government funds while wearing a $140,000 wrist watch. If this was for personal business, then it should be paid with personal money, which there is surely an abundance. As for a law suit against someone living in the US, just a quick reminder, Indonesian laws do not apply. These outragious threats are indicative of a weak person, trying to justify some wrong doing. Hopefully a thorough investigation of this trip will happen, and then you can ask for a "pre-trial" hearing for alleged misuse of government funds, especially in light of the fact that Indonesia is having a financial crisis and many citizens might lose jobs.
Terry McAsee
Fadli says "Otherwise, I will file a lawsuit against him for allegedly violating the 2008 Electronic Information and Transactions Law."
May I ask - does the 2008 Electronic Information and Transactions Law of the Republic of Indonesia have any legal force in the City of New York, New York State, United States of America where Imam Shamsi lives and where he works at the Al-Hikmah Mosque?
If not how will this case proceed? 
IndoWatcher19
: Clearly a FB posting is an "Electronic Communication" under the EITL, 2008 Electronic Information and Transactions Law (see in particular Articles 16 and 17). The FB posting clearly is an EF as defined by the referenced law. Even though the perspective defendant lives in New York, he might own property in Indonesia against which a judgment could be enforced. The defendant would also have a duty to defend himself (an expensive proposition), else suffer the risk of a "default judgment" against him. Unless the Imam is wealthy and.or is the patron of someone who will protect him, pay his legal fees/judgments, one might urge the Imam to remove the FB posting and apologize before Fadli's counsel gets around to filing suit. 
Terry McAsee
  Indeed.
But if, like the vast majority of people on the planet, he has no connection whatsoever with Indonesia then he can just ignore this ludicrous nonsense entirely. 
 Hannah Montana
   Terry, I just checked that he's originally an Indonesian (born and grew up in Indonesia). However wiki says he's now an American citizen, which will mean that he's no longer an Indonesian.  
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Terry McAsee
  As you say, HM, he is no longer a WNI and so, ipso facto, cannot own land in Indonesia. Just what might he have in Indonesia that could be seized to pay any penalty imposed by an Indonesian court?
A wristwatch, perhaps?
SiangMalam
    You just can't sue someone for calling you stupid - it is not a crime to call someone stupid
 Hannah Montana
    ....Siang, it's only in Fadli Zon's mind (that any sort of critics is considered a crime). He's a softie...
 Hannah Montana
   Imam Shamsi, also known as "hip hop" Imam, was considered a very tolerant Imam in the US. He's not prohibiting Muslims to play secular musics, encourage peace and even go as far as fostering friendship with the Jews. Since he went to US in 1997, he's been interacting with and known by the likes of US presidents(especially in the aftermath of 9/11) and a number of NY governments. I'm sure he's very respected by non-Muslim Americans. The likes of Fadli Zon won't appreciate this. Fadli Zon is no one.
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